reversed himself also and is now creating this front group that's going to raise a lot of money -- lou: you're talking about the organization for action. >> exactly. to accomplish his agenda, yes. lou: for what? >> to accomplish his agenda. that's exactly what he's doing. lou: yeah. of so, basically, what we've got to do then in this sort of view of democracy is we've got to get a bunch of billionaires to contest the principles, the issues that will determine the destiny of the nation, and as long as we've got countervailing billionaires, we have a political system that works, is that right? [laughter] >> right. lou: thank you very much. >> it didn't work too well last time. >> it didn't work too long last time. lou: ed rollins, matt patrick, thank you. >> thank you, lou. lou: poor matt patrick. that's it for us tonight. thank you for being with us. coming up next week, haley par bear joins us, andrea tantaros, and thank you for being with us tonight. have a great weekend. good night from new york.